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Re: They just HAD to pick on the archivists ... sigh
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domermom
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they should fly each and every one of us to the show and we can kick is butt!
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11-12-2009 10:49 AM  

     
Re: They just HAD to pick on the archivists ... sigh
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Dick Latvala, the vault archivist for the Grateful Dead, died on August 6, 1999, at his home in Petaluma, California. Here's an article on David from 2004 http://www.jambase.com/Articles/David Lemieux The Vault is the collection of all of their music but it looks like the UC Santa Cruz gig is more than that. http://library2.ucsc.edu/speccoll/GD_archive.html
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11-12-2009 11:14 AM  

     
Archivists Rule!! And here is one who CAN take a joke
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I have to speak up as a more thick-skinned archivist. I thought the poke was honestly just an awesome shout out to the profession. I am a recent graduate of an archival program and our work doesn't get too many high profile mentions in the news (whether parody or not). When I tell people what I studied or do for work, many times I get the "That is a job?" response. And maybe because of Jon's mention of the Dead Archivist position at UCSC, some young high school or college music lover with no clue about what they want to be when they grow up will go into an archival program and get a job working with stuff they love. So Bravo Stewart! I would have loved to have been in the audience yesterday, cuz I would have freaked out at the awesomeness of that mention. Thanks for the props!!!
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11-12-2009 11:15 AM  

     
An open letter to Jon Stewart: The truth about Archivists
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Dear Mr. Stewart,

First off I must say that I'm a fan of the show, despite your sometimes liberal smugness and disdain for those of us who live in the flyover regions of the country.  I like the fact that you don't really appear to have any sacred cows and seem inclined to critique hypocrisy where you find it.  It's amazing how often you get things right, even though you make no claims of journalistic integrity or political altrusim.

 

That said, I have to admit that I was greatly disappointed by the portion of last night's program on the Archivist job opening at UC-Santa Cruz for the Grateful Dead papers.  I'll admit, this is something just begging to be made fun of and in general the bit was funny.  However, your apparent ignorance of the archives profession and formal archives education was troubling for a number of reasons.

 

First of all, that you would decide to scoff at the scholarly merit and marginalize the duties of a relatively small professional group might be understandabe, but it's still pretty lame.  A little bit of research from your staff would have shown that archives education exists only at the graduate level in a number of the most respected institutions across the country. Some universities in Europe and Canada offer the BA (in addition to the MA and Ph.D.) in archival studies, but none in the U.S. do.  Why is this, you might ask, if archivists only job is organizing things "alphabetically and numerically"? Well, because archivists do so much more than that.

 

Formal graduate archival education is a relatively recent development and the archives credential is typically offered as a focus or major area of study within other larger schools of Library and Information Studies and History.  The archival profession has been around in some form since people began to put thoughts and language into writing, and has continued to evolve and expand as new communication and recording technologies necessitated.  Modern archival studies and professional practice draws from this long tradition and has developed a rich body of knowledge that incorporates intellectual and methodological components from across academic disciplines within the humanities and social sciences.

 

The fact is, a BA only offers the very basics that are needed to comprehend the complexity of archival work.  Graduate archives education has a practical, vocational element to it in addition to understanding the interplay of technology and documentation, the role of records creators in society on the macro and micro levels, and how social functions and structures determine the historical record.  Archivists secure, preserve, and make available our nation's historical resources, thereby helping to insure public accountability and cultural continuity.  Out mandate is far more ambitious than organizaing things alphabetically and numerically, particularly in an era where information and records are overly abundant.

 

So, Mr. Stewart, please keep being funny and irreverent, but also be mindful that when you're inulting towards something that you don't know anything about you risk looking like the misinformed media idiots that you so often skewer.  As someone who makes a living off the never ending news cycle, I'm sure you can appreciate the role of archives and records in society if only because they seem to find their way into so many of those news stories.

Perhaps the next time you read a political or historical book, or watch footage from an old tv broadcast, you might be reminded that these things are not possible without the work of archivists who facilitate such cultural production.

 

Sincerely,

 

Brad Wiles

Manuscripts Archivist

Baton Rouge, LA

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11-12-2009 11:11 AM  

     
11/11 - Blackface, but no ZULU   [ Edited ]
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How could you do a piece about blackface and not mention the Zulu Mardi Gras parade in New Orleans whose mostly black members dress up in blackface and banana skirts...

 

 

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11-12-2009 01:48 AM  

     
Re: 11/11 - Blackface, but no ZULU   [ Edited ]
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I think they covered most points pretty well. You expect them to list every time someone did it?

 

I dont get your point.

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11-12-2009 05:29 AM  

     
Re: Archivists Rule!! And here is one who CAN take a joke
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sigh ... to the thick skinned archivist.  Only a new person to the profession would say what you said.  I was like you once, but after awhile, when you are constantly asked "is that really a job?" "you get paid to do that?" "You had to go to graduate school to do that?"  It gets to you. 

 

Getting information out there educating the public about what we do isn't being thinned skinned, it's being proud of your chosen profession.

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11-12-2009 11:18 AM  

     
What if it was Bruce Springfield?
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Karen the Librarian
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Mr. Stewart,

 

Librarians and archivists are recognized professionals with essential responsibilities in the information age --hence the need for standardized training and the credentials of a Masters degree.  There's a great deal more to establishing an archive than knowing how to file.  Since you're such a critic of politicians who don't check their facts, I'm surprised you didn't check your facts on this underappreciated profession.

 

I'm no particular fan of the Greatful Dead -- or rock music in general.  However I do recognize that a lot of people feel this band has made a significant contribution to music and popular culture.  Eventually somebody is going to study this band and turn it into a PhD dissertation that will contribute to a better understanding of our social history.

 

Here's an idea.  Take that job advertisement and substitute "Bruce Springfield" for Greatful Dead.  Now is it important to have a qualified person sorting through the documents and memorabilia of a rock band?

 

 

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11-12-2009 10:49 AM  

     
Re: They just HAD to pick on the archivists ... sigh
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I know. I was a little heartbroken to learn that Jon isn't one of those wonderful people who has an appreciation for information science. How does he think his staff is able to dig up news clips (from ARCHIVAL footage) for him? TDS does such a fantastic job of linking current information to archival information, I've always loved that about the show, but who does he think makes that happen, magical elves? I tried to keep a sense of humor about it, but the whole alphabetical vs. numeric thing was insulting.

 

And -- it does matter, when things like this get said in the mainstream media. As has been said here, we're easy targets. And while our jobs *do* require graduate degrees (sometimes more than one), we're often not paid salaries commensurate with our education... and the reason for that is that our positions are undervalued and perceived as less than they are. It's just disappointing, to see someone I otherwise admire add fuel to the fire.

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11-12-2009 11:24 AM  

     
Re: They just HAD to pick on the archivists ... sigh
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The Daily Show with Jon Stewart: it's even better than being informed....obviously...gee John, at least learn how to pronounce archivist before poking fun!!  [ahr-kuh-vist, -kahy-] It made you look... uneducated?!
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11-12-2009 11:35 AM  

     
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